Oh. I had assumed Tol Barad flagged everyone for P...

2011-12-26T11:05:32.513-05:00

Oh. I had assumed Tol Barad flagged everyone for PvP regardless of realm type (I played on a PvP server). On a PvE realm, I'd agree with you: WG does a better job of getting people fighting.

I think it's very telling that you don't want to engage in PvP unless it is mutually beneficial. That is the fun, thrilling, and proper way to do world PvP. A large amount of the outdoor "PvP" that "happens" on a WoW PvP realm is griefing--it is of no benefit to anyone. It is no wonder that players shy away from these servers.

This was something that struck me as effective in ...

2011-12-26T10:28:15.810-05:00

This was something that struck me as effective in Wintergrasp in less so in Tol Barad - the rewards were so good (honor which could immediately be cashed in for epic gear that was better than 5-man dungeons loot for the first year of the expansion) that it was worth grazing.

Eventually, this lured me over to the occasional hunting excursion, when I found myself one or two kills short of completing the kill quest. Ironically, I generally don't seek out PVP because I don't enjoy being killed and I don't derive enough satisfaction from inflicting that on someone else to make the victory worthwhile. In this context, though, I was fine with it - my victims were taking the same deal I was, and being farmed for someone else's kill quest was part of the bargain.

It's interesting that they went in a different direction in Tol Barad. None of the dailies require players to actually flag for PVP. Only the quest (weekly?) for winning the battle awards honor. It feels strangely like PVP is something that incidentally happens in the zone once every 2.5 hours, rather than the point of the zone.

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Oh. I had assumed Tol Barad flagged everyone for P...

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